Puddleby Confession

A Discussion of - A statement of belief by the Daughters and Sons of Light, Followers of the Sun God.

Llerendel , you are obviously an acomplished scholar and much wiser than I. (Perhaps even one of the fabled Dark Cloaks?) I am grateful for your discovery of my glaring flaws of scholarship. I shall make amends by making the necessary corrections as soons has possible so as to not lead others astray.

However as a devout believer I must disagree on some points!

>I examined Maldacht's teachings at
>http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Zone/6077/ , and have a few points to
>raise.

>>The Sun God is a prime source of good in the world.

>In my opinion, the Triple Gods (Sun, Moon, and Earth) are above concepts like Good and Evil. They just Are.

>Now, things created by the Sun God may be good. And people who worship the Sun God may be good. But that is a different matter entirely.

I can understand that, as a scholar, your opinion is that the Gods only "exist " and they did something to start the world rolling but now we do good and evil. ( I believe a wiseman told me that this was the philosophy of the "watchmaker god" but I do not know what a watchmaker is.) But as a devout follower, I must say that the Sun God can and does intervene in the realm. Perhaps directly, perhaps through fellow believers, elders, ancients and even dark cloaked scholars but the Sun God does intervene. I myself have felt and seen the glowing light of the Lord Sun upon me after prayer.

Can I, a simple Thoom, know the ultimate source of good and evil? No, of course not. But the confession states that the Sun God is A source of good and I stick to my belief on this one.

>>The Sun God seeks knowledge through the Daughters and Sons of Light .

>Again, I'm not sure that the Sun God wants anything. They aren't personifications with wants and desires. They just Exist.

The scrolls speak of the Sun God seeking knowlege

"The Sun also talked to the Earth, but it talked of learning and discovery and of all the things his light revealed."

"The Sun wished to see the Moon so that he might gain the knowledge that lay in the dark."

Alternative scrolls say:

"The Sun was overjoyed at the prospect of meeting something new. New things! New ideas! Things and ideas that had not sprung forth from the Sun! A new area for his Light to explore!"

If we return to my belief in a God who partakes of the realm then the Lord Sun does want knowledge. As as a God of the world can and does seek knowledge of its own and though the Gods Avitars, Elders and the Daughters and Sons of Light.

>>We, with the followers of Gaia, must seek out the
>>last of the Third Children to return them where they belong.

>I'm a bit confused. Where do they belong? Dead?

>First Children: (Also called Moon Children, Sun Children, Earth Children) Flawed creations, most of which were destroyed. The remnants are the great elemental forces of the Universe. Extant examples are the volcano near Ha'And Island, the whirlpool in the Great Northern Ocean, the fierce Southern Wind.

>Second Children: A more balanced mixture of Moon, Sun, and Earth. These are the flora and fauna of our world.

>Third Children: A private creation of the Moon, with an extra addition of Mind. In other words, the sentinent beings of the world. Destroyed the world in the Great Cataclysm.

>Last Children: Us, mostly a mixture of Sun, Moon, and Earth. But also the Day Children, the Night Children, and the Juxtaposed.

The scrolls say:

"The Moon, half dark and half light, loved her children for what they had done at the same time she understood with a new clarity why they couldn’t be let to continue walking the Earth.

"The Moon cried for her children, but did what was right and took them from Earth. She blessed them by hanging them in the night sky with her, as stars to keep her company in the dark loneliness of night.

"Ever the one with a dark side though, she kept 12 of her children shielded from the Sun and Earth so that at least some of them might partake in the joy of living.

"Still, the terrible destruction from the Other place wracked the Earth, destroying most of the second children, and tainting those that remained.

Where do they belong? Perhaps a wise scholar such as yourself could help me here. The Great Three sought to remove the Thrid Children from the Earth or the realms as we know them. Should we not seek to assist in doing the same for the hidden 12? Is is something we mortals can even contemplate? Can we even identify the 12? Perhaps this is part of the unfolding strory that the Great Three are presenting us? Should we preach seeking knowledge of the 12 first?

>>We have the greatest respect for Gaia and her followers
>>for her wisdom, comfort and strength.

>I do not think that Gaia is the Earth God. Granted, she follows the Earth God. But I think she is an avatar, one of the Third Children that was granted special abilities by the Earth God.

Here I must beg your and the realms forgiveness for my mind has wandered greatly in putting pen to this parchement. Yes, I would agree that Gaia is but a face of the Earth God and perhaps simply an avitar of the God. Or perhaps Gaia is even a transformed exile who as won the pleasure of the Eath God, it is not for me to know or ask. Gaia certainly has her followers. Someday I pray that the Lord Sun would recognize me as a simple priest in the name of the Lord Sun.

(as an aside I am intrigued by the strong devotion to Gaia as exhibited in the quick building of Gaia's temple. I pray that someday the followers of the Lord Sun will be able to do the same!)

>>We respect the Moon Goddess and her followers, for her
>>grief and overcoming jealously and fear to create a
>>new world order.

>The phrase "create a new world order" is straight out of the Emperor's propaganda. Please, reconsider your wording and do not use a phrase that will stir up animosity in many of your readers.

I plead for your mercy concerning this most horrible mistake on my part! I can only plead that the propaganda must have sunk into my mind at a level I did not recognize. Could it be that deep down I believe that the Emperor is tied to one of the 12?

Again I am not a scholar and most prepared to be shown my errors and misunderstandings, please feel free to help me learn my way with comments and concerns.

- Maldacht

Maldacht@geocities.com

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Sir, In this I am an ignorant fool. I am grateful to converse with one of your stature. And will seek your continued council. My comments are penned in the margins. -Maldacht

>> I am grateful for your discovery of my glaring flaws of scholarship. I shall make amends by
>> making the necessary corrections as soons has possible so as to not lead
>> others astray.
>
>Hey, no one ever said I knew the One True Way.
. . . You may post this. . . I think allowing people to read our differing
>views is a Good Thing.
>
>> your opinion is that the Gods only
>> "exist " and they did something to start the world rolling but now we
>> do good and evil... But as a devout follower, I must say that the
>> Sun God can and does
>> intervene in the realm. Perhaps directly, perhaps through fellow
>> believers, elders, ancients and even dark cloaked scholars but the Sun
>> God does intervene.
>
>And here is the difference of opinion. I don't think that the Sun
>God ever intervenes directly, other than to shine down its Light upon
>us at regular intervals. But I do agree that others intervene in the
>Name of the Sun God.
>
>Whether those others are avatars, are humans encouraged by the Sun
>God, or deluded fools, is unknowable.
>
>(When I say "human", I also include thooms, sylvans, the people,
>halflings, and maybe even the orgas and the greymyrs, btw.)
>
>> I myself have felt and seen the glowing light of
>> the Lord Sun upon me after prayer.
>
>And I've seen the glowing reproduced by some unsavory characters like
>Qual. Do not confuse the "special effect" with the primary cause.
>
>
>> Can I, a simple Thoom, know the ultimate source of good and evil? No, of
>> course not. But the confession states that the Sun God is A source of
>> good and I stick to my belief on this one.
>
>I'll restate this in two ways, both of which I agree with:
>
>1. The Sun God is a source of good. So are the Moon God and the Earth God.
>
>2. The Triple are *also* a source of evil. And everything else.
>
>You appear to be setting up a duality, of "Sun God == Good" and
>"Other Gods == Evil." I dispute this, the same way I dispute
>assigning male for female gender to any of the Three.

I do believe we agree here. The Sun God has a role in evil, in letting us exist the Sun God is participating in Evil, as I stated earlier, I am unable to fathom the ultimate souces of Good and Evil. However, my inclination is to see some larger role for the place of Evil in our realm for the Jelous God of the Moon.

>> If we return to my belief in a God who partakes of the realm then the
>> Lord Sun does want knowledge. As as a God of the world can and does seek
>> knowledge of its own and though the Gods Avitars, Elders and the
>> Daughters and Sons of Light.
>
>OK, you've convinced me. The Triple do have some interests that we
>can relate to. (BTW, it's spelled "avatar" and means a physical
>incarnation of the God.)

Thank you again for keeping me from playing the complete fool. Simple understanding I have, spelling I do not. In this realm we are hampered in our understanding of various roles because we do not know the difference between the favored exiles and the various shrouds the Gods, particularly when a single God can manifest as more than one Avatar.

>> Where do they belong? Perhaps a wise scholar such as yourself could help
>> me here. The Great Three sought to remove the Thrid Children from the
>> Earth or the realms as we know them. Should we not seek to assist in
>> doing the same for the hidden 12? Is is something we mortals can even
>> contemplate? Can we even identify the 12? Perhaps this is part of the
>> unfolding strory that the Great Three are presenting us? Should we
>> preach seeking knowledge of the 12 first?
>
>I call them the "Triple", rather than the "Great Three", btw.
>
>I do not understand the part of the scrolls dealing with "the 12",
>and do not have sufficient knowledge to form an opinion. I do not
>see how "the 12" map into our existing world -- like all the other
>Children do.
>
>
>> Or perhaps Gaia is even a transformed exile who as won the pleasure of
>> the Eath God, it is not for me to know or ask. Gaia certainly has her
>> followers.
> >I think she's from before the Great Cataclysm, and achieved favor and
>immortality.
>
>
>> (as an aside I am intrigued by the strong devotion to Gaia as exhibited
>> in the quick building of Gaia's temple. I pray that someday the
>> followers of the Lord Sun will be able to do the same!)
>
>There already was a group of exiles worshipping Gaia. With the
>support of you, Sassy, Llerendel, etc -- the probability of a Sun
>Temple is increased.
>
>For now, I suggest saying prayers at sunrise and sunset.
>
>> I plead for your mercy concerning this most horrible mistake on my
>> part! I can only plead that the propaganda must have sunk into my mind
>> at a level I did not recognize. Could it be that deep down I believe
>> that the Emperor is tied to one of the 12?
>
>I don't think Mobius is that old, myself.
>
>C. Hommel notelrac@notelrac.com
>http://www.notelrac.com

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